I dropped mention of Bartov, his conclusions and a pointer to the Guardian article in a couple of public (cyberspace) places I frequent. I naïvely thought someone might react, or at least acknowledge the presence of my comment. How silly of me.
I was excited by the idea that a former IDF member and noted Holocaust scholar might get some people to reconsider. Perhaps he has. Perhaps they're afraid to talk about it. The relationship between group identities and utterances is so brittle now.
[later edit: As I find and read more comments by and about Bartov, I now see the people who preceded him. Aryeh Neier (whose family fled the Nazis in 1939) explains in a June 6 article in the New York review why he believes Israel is committing genocide: https://archive.ph/obdiX . Back later with more info on Raz Segal and Amos Goldberg.
And let's not forget Israel Shahak and Moshe Mehuhin, who decried Israel's treatment of Palestinians for decades. You'd think the old testament tradition of the hectoring prophet would ring a bell.]
Earlier, I was complaining that substack had only one ❤️for me to give you. Since you republished the piece about Metropolitan Kiril (one of my favorites), you solved that problem:-)
Omer Bartov's piece keeps echoing in my head. Any bets on whether any American politician (who doesn't wear a hijab) will acknowledge it?
[later edit, after digging into more material from Omer Bartov: have you discovered the paper from Lee Mordechai? (Bartov mentions it in a xweet) He's a professor at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. I haven't dug through the whole paper yet (go to https://huji.academia.edu/LeeMordechai , click download under Bearing Witness), but the appendix outlines his detailed reasons for believing Israel is committing genocide. As I read it, I'm reminded of Elie Honig's book Untouchable - what Professor Mordechai describes sounds more like an organized crime operation than a military campaign. Which kinda fits with Netanyahu's other behavior and the whole crop of authoritarian leaders the world has been experiencing (and sometimes embracing) lately.]
good article, and one of the proudest moments of resistance against Hitler in WWII.
Unfortunately a couple of years later Bulgaria was overrun by the Soviets. I don't imagine that was a great time for those who had stood up against Hitler..
(back for a followup)
I dropped mention of Bartov, his conclusions and a pointer to the Guardian article in a couple of public (cyberspace) places I frequent. I naïvely thought someone might react, or at least acknowledge the presence of my comment. How silly of me.
I was excited by the idea that a former IDF member and noted Holocaust scholar might get some people to reconsider. Perhaps he has. Perhaps they're afraid to talk about it. The relationship between group identities and utterances is so brittle now.
I found a non-paywalled copy of a New Yorker interview that seems to have been done after he visited Israel but before he wrote the Guardian piece. It doesn't change anything, but adds a bit more context: https://archive.is/2024.07.02-225756/https:/www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/a-holocaust-scholar-meets-with-israeli-reservists
[later edit: As I find and read more comments by and about Bartov, I now see the people who preceded him. Aryeh Neier (whose family fled the Nazis in 1939) explains in a June 6 article in the New York review why he believes Israel is committing genocide: https://archive.ph/obdiX . Back later with more info on Raz Segal and Amos Goldberg.
And let's not forget Israel Shahak and Moshe Mehuhin, who decried Israel's treatment of Palestinians for decades. You'd think the old testament tradition of the hectoring prophet would ring a bell.]
Earlier, I was complaining that substack had only one ❤️for me to give you. Since you republished the piece about Metropolitan Kiril (one of my favorites), you solved that problem:-)
Omer Bartov's piece keeps echoing in my head. Any bets on whether any American politician (who doesn't wear a hijab) will acknowledge it?
[later edit, after digging into more material from Omer Bartov: have you discovered the paper from Lee Mordechai? (Bartov mentions it in a xweet) He's a professor at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. I haven't dug through the whole paper yet (go to https://huji.academia.edu/LeeMordechai , click download under Bearing Witness), but the appendix outlines his detailed reasons for believing Israel is committing genocide. As I read it, I'm reminded of Elie Honig's book Untouchable - what Professor Mordechai describes sounds more like an organized crime operation than a military campaign. Which kinda fits with Netanyahu's other behavior and the whole crop of authoritarian leaders the world has been experiencing (and sometimes embracing) lately.]
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good article, and one of the proudest moments of resistance against Hitler in WWII.
Unfortunately a couple of years later Bulgaria was overrun by the Soviets. I don't imagine that was a great time for those who had stood up against Hitler..